Konflikten i Thailand

[Guest Siam-Nilsson]

Frisedel eller inte det är visst frågan för dagen?

Som alla karriärpolitiker så har även det politiska underbarnet Abhisit sina motståndare och energiska belackare.

Vad har det då funnits för skit at gräva fram om denne välutbildade och bildsköna svärmorsdröm?

- Ja, vad jag har sett så har det hittills varit ett ganska magert resultat i jakten på ”skandaler”.

Det som Abhisit’s motståndare har koncentrerat sig på är Abhisit’s förmodade ”smitning” från att göra lumpen.

Det finns visst inga riktiga papper på att Abhisit har fått frisedel, men ändå så slapp han på något vis att göra sin värnplikt.

Och detta med att ”smita” från lumpen är ju ett känsligt karaktärsämne inte bara i den Thailändska politiken.

Källa: ”Saving Private Abhisit”

http://www.nationmul...newsid=30090182

Vidare så har det under helgen tydligen varit en hel del politiska avhopp av valda ledamöter från den Thaksinvänliga skaran, och dessa har istället sagt sig vilja stödja Abhisit och demokraterna som tros vinna platsen som Premiärminister.

Detta ”förräderi” har inte blivit populärt ute på landsbygden och det talas om att avhopparna inte kommer att kunna återvända till sina hembygder utan att råka illa ut.

Nog har man ofta hört att politik kan vara ett smutsigt spel, och ibland blir det handgripligen mer sant än vanligt, för det har redan rapporterats om att ilskna politiskt trogna lokalpatrioter har börjat slänga in bajs på dessa avhoppade politikers privata hustomter.

Källa:

http://www.nationmul...cs_30090520.php

Den politiska såpoperan är nog ännu bara i sin linda,

och mer krumbukter och knasigheter är nog att vänta framöver – var så säker...

[MaiChai]

http://www.nationmul...newsid=30090585

Egentligen är det märkligt att en som är avstängd från all politisk verksamhet i Thailand till slut blev den som avgjorde vem som ska styra landet...

Friends of Newin lägrets sidbyte lär inte vara populärt bland de Thaksintrogna, har redan hört om att det lobbats in granater på en politikers privata tomt uppe i Issan. Kanske får vi se en hel del liknande saker nu innan parlamentet hinner rösta om premiärministern på fredag.

Har träffat Abbhisit ett par gånger, en trevlig kille och mycket olik de som har styrt Thailand tidigare. Ingen militärbakgrund, ingen stortrutad skrävlare, väl utbildad och påläst men kanske en aning torr. Det kan bli mycket bra för Thailand men allt beror på hur mycket kraft och pengar Thaksin lägger ner på att förstöra för den nya regerigen?

Kan också tillägga att jag var på samma restaurang som Newin Chidchob och 18 av hans närmaste var på igår...

[svarten]

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Det ligger mycket i detta gamla thailändska talesätt:

"Rural voters elect governments; urban voters get rid of them."

Hej Siam Nilsson!

Utmärkt talesätt! Det säger precis allt om vad som har hänt. I stället för att åtala individa korrupta politiker från alla partier väljer man att lösa upp hela partier som inte gynnar makthavarna.

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Svarten

[Tallviking]

Thaksin och han kompisar kan ju ta och ockupera en eller två flygplatser eller något för att protestera mot den sittande regeringen. Har ju fungerat för andra !

[Guest Atom]

Hej Svarten,

Tack for svaret. Jag har egentligen inga invandningar mot ditt inlagg forutom mojligen att Demokraterna inte haft egen majoritet pa valdigt lange och att vi darfor inte vet huruvida de gjort mer eller mindre for de fattiga an vad Thaksin gjorde. Det ar mycket mojligt att de gjort mindre for de fattiga i Isaan men de hade helt sakert gjort mer for de fattiga i soder och ganska sakert ocksa mer for de fattiga i Centrala Thailand. Jag ser motsattningen mellan "gult" och "rott" mer som en regional motsattning an en klassmotsattning aven om det givetvis indirekt blir en klassmotsattning da det finns en betydligt storre medelklass i Bkk med omgivande provinser an i Isaan. Overklassen skiter nog i vilket, de vinner alltid.

Precis som MaiChai papekar sa kanns det ju inget vidare att en av TRT's starka man, och tillika politiskt avstangd, ska bli Demokraternas hjalte. Undrar hur manga 100 miljoner det kostade att kopa over dem? Jag tror dock att Abhisit skulle bli en bra premiarminister och nagon "renare" har val Thailand aldrig varit i narheten av, forutom Chuan. Tyvarr ar det val svart att se varfor de roda skulle acceptera en sadan losning sa det ar nog inte slut pa bekymren. De fattiga i Isaan kan nog dock vara sakra pa att fa en val sa bra deal som PPP nagonsin kunnat ge dem, allt annat vore ju sjalvmord

[svarten]

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Precis som MaiChai papekar sa kanns det ju inget vidare att en av TRT's starka man, och tillika politiskt avstangd, ska bli Demokraternas hjalte. Undrar hur manga 100 miljoner det kostade att kopa over dem? Jag tror dock att Abhisit skulle bli en bra premiarminister och nagon "renare" har val Thailand aldrig varit i narheten av, forutom Chuan. Tyvarr ar det val svart att se varfor de roda skulle acceptera en sadan losning sa det ar nog inte slut pa bekymren. De fattiga i Isaan kan nog dock vara sakra pa att fa en val sa bra deal som PPP nagonsin kunnat ge dem, allt annat vore ju sjalvmord

Hej Atom!

Ja det stämmer att Isaanborna verkar ha fått en relativ bra deal när man läser programmet som Siam-Nilsson redovisar. Vi får se om det blir så i verklighet - inte bara på papper. Det blir också intressant att se vad som händer med de upplösta partiernas väljarna. Kommer de att bara att fortsätta bilda nya partier som kommer att upplöses eller kommer makthavarna att lära sig att åtala individer för korruption i stället för hela politiska partier?Den politik som finns i de upplösta partierna kommer ju alltid att efterfrågas.

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Svarten

[Guest Atom]

Hej igen Svarten,

Jag tror nog vi kan vara relativt sakra pa att den nya regeringen ser till att gora minst lika mycket for Isaan som TRT/PPP gjorde annars ar det ju helt sjalvklart att de blir bortrostade vid nasta val. Det stora problemet ar den gigantiska lagkonjunkturen som den forra regeringen har sagt inte kommer drabba Thailand sarskilt mycket men som jag tror kommer drabba Thailand bra mycket hardare an de flesta andra landerna i Asien. Regeringen kommer darfor tvingas skjuta till pengar pa oerhort manga stallen samtidigt och kan givetvis upplevas som dalig da valdigt manga kommer fa det samre stallt. Andelen fabriker ar farre i Isaan an i Centrala Thailand men det jobbar en valdig mangd Isaaniter pa fabriker i Centrala Thailand och pa alla turistomraden som ocksa drabbas.

Jag tror faktiskt att ganska manga inom Demokraterna garna skulle vanta ett par ar innan de bildar regering for att istallet kunna misskreditera PPP for den daliga ekonomin. Fanns nog inte sa manga stora ekonomiska tankare inom PAD dock 

[Gnarparn]

Har hittat en översättning till thai av artikeln i The Economist om någon thaispråkig som inte är en klippa på engelska är intresserad av att läsa den.

[Guest wille]

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Har hittat en översättning till thai av artikeln i The Economist om någon thaispråkig som inte är en klippa på engelska är intresserad av att läsa den.

Inte helt otippat sa vagrade Asia books som handhar distributionen av the Economist i Thailand att ta in detta nummer.

[MaiChai]

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Jag tror faktiskt att ganska manga inom Demokraterna garna skulle vanta ett par ar innan de bildar regering for att istallet kunna misskreditera PPP for den daliga ekonomin. Fanns nog inte sa manga stora ekonomiska tankare inom PAD dock 

De har ett styvt jobb framför sig, oavsett vad de tar sig till så kommer det att kritiseras från oppositionen med argument som att "Vi hade investerat mer" och "Vi hade gjort det fortare"

En annan sak som slog mig var ju att Demokraterna i och med att de fått över Newins fraktion kanske bjudit in en "Trojansk häst" som kanske fortfarande kommer att jobba för sin gamla husse, men nu för att sänka Demokraternas koalition?

Men Abbhisit är ett bra namn som förtjänar en ärlig chans, tyvärr är det många i stödpartierna och även inom demokraterna som inte är det och inte borde höra hemma i en regering. Ska bli intressant att se vad Dr T har att säga på lördag i sitt tal, går han till attack som han lovat och börjar nämna namn?

[Guest wille]

Ett par intressanta inlagg pa bemarkelsedagen da UDHR firarar 60 ar idag. Inlagg 2 och 3 ar mer Thailandspecifika.

Six decades after affirmation, challenges remain NAVANETHEM PILLAY

Bangkok Post

10 December 2008

Today we celebrate the 60th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, a document that marked a crucial turning point in human history as the first international agreement setting out freedoms, rights and entitlements for all humanity to claim.

Six decades ago, it affirmed that the force of shared ideas and a common vision of respectful and peaceful coexistence can prevail over brutality, hatred and destruction.

Since then, the world may have changed a great deal, but the recognition of our inherent kinship in rights, of our common claim to a life in dignity, of our right to count and be counted irrespective of our ancestry, gender and colour, status and creed applies to today's realities as much as it did in1948.

And so does the Universal Declaration's emphasis on the inextricable relationship between fundamental freedoms and social justice, and the connection of both these elements with peace and security. By not ranking rights, the Declaration clearly expressed the equal status of political, civil, economic, social and cultural rights, as well as their interdependence. It envisaged a world in which every man, woman and child lives in dignity, free from hunger, violence and discrimination, and enjoys the benefits of housing, healthcare, education and opportunity.

An extensive and growing corpus of international law has fleshed out the Universal Declaration's principles, specifying States' obligations in upholding them. They have found an echo in the constitutions and laws of more than 90 countries. Dedicated international, regional and national mechanisms have been put in place to be both the custodians and the monitors of human rights, their promotion and protection. Civil society everywhere exerts vigilance over rights implementation with growing capacity and influence.

There is no doubt, however, that despite all our advances in law and practice, serious implementation gaps remain in protecting people from fear, injustice and inequality. Impunity, armed conflict and authoritarian rule have not been defeated. Regrettably, human rights are at times sidestepped to promote short-sighted security agendas. And lamentably, a trade-off between justice and peace is often erroneously invoked when societies emerge from conflict and combatants return to their communities.

We must take stock of the fact that racism, discrimination and intolerance represent some of the greatest global human rights challenges of our time.

Violence against women is still a daily occurrence in too many countries.

The UN Security Council and international tribunals have clearly established that rape and other forms of sexual violence can amount to war crimes and crimes against humanity, or may be regarded as constitutive acts with respect to genocide. Yet such assaults often remain unpunished. The fact is that in too many countries, violence against women and vulnerable groups, such as indigenous people and minorities, is fostered by laws and customs that make them second-class citizens and systematically discriminate against them. This occurs despite strong international standards that protect them and call for their full participation in society. It takes place despite recognition of the critical role that such groups play in building knowledge, enriching a culture with diversity and thus in fostering development, as well as peace and security.

Irrespective of gender, origin or race, communal welfare hinges upon respect and promotion of all rights, freedom and liberty, as well as economic rights, including the right to adequate food, health, housing and education. This is why States should do more and work faster to meet the Millennium Development Goals which are eight globally endorsed objectives addressing many aspects of extreme poverty. They should do so by injecting a human rights perspective into poverty reduction strategies in order to provide a framework of institutions and norms which can help reduce disparities, address the root causes of inequality, and mediate those conflicting claims that inevitably arise through development processes.

Repression and poverty challenge us today just as they did the framers of the Universal Declaration. And daunting new challenges are emerging, such as climate change, the food and financial crises, globalisation, terrorism, and new or resurgent epidemics. The sheer magnitude and the multifaceted aspects of the tasks ahead require collective efforts predicated on the common ground of our human condition and universal acceptance of international law. Yet attacks on the universality of rights continue to stand as barriers to human rights implementation. The truth is that the Universal Declaration was not merely congruent with some customs and foreign to other cultures. It drew its principles from many diverse traditions, and it made them more robust through a uniform codification.

Rights hold the whole world in solidarity and in responsibility. Only by attaining all our universal human rights will we be able to reach the higher standard of life and greater enjoyment of freedom that Eleanor Roosevelt and her co-drafters claimed for us 60 years ago.

Navanethem Pillay is the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights.

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EDITORIAL (The Nation)

A long way to go for human rights in Asia

Published on December 10, 2008

Thailand aims to lead Asean in improving protection, but our own record also falls short Today is International Human Rights Day and also the 60th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UNDHR). When Thailand signed the UNDHR in 1948, it became the boldest country in Asia by acceding to the universal norms that respect human rights. It was the first Asian country to do so. That was a remarkable undertaking, achieved at a time when Thailand, like other countries, had just emerged from the destruction of World War II. Thailand wanted to join the international community as soon as possible. After officially supporting the Japanese against the Allied forces, Thailand wanted to clean up its recent past by quickly embracing the United Nations and other related international activities.

International organisations, including their universal values and shared norms, served as a shield for Thailand against the threat of communism.

Today, a glance at the country's human rights record might lead one to draw the conclusion that progress in this area is still very disappointing.

Authorities concerned are still not willing to work for justice. Abuse and disappearances still continue. The well-known case of human rights lawyer, Somchai Neeraphaijit, still unaccounted for, not to mention other recent disappearances involving minorities in the remote provinces of northern and southern Thailand, are examples of this lack of progress.

It is sad that Thailand, which started out as a well-respected member of the international community, and one that supposedly placed a high value on human rights, has ended up this way. The political crisis of the past six months has added to the general perception around the world that Thailand has no rule of law. Time and again our society could easily have slipped into anarchy. Ordinary people are seen on TV being beaten up because of the colour of their T-shirt. It is thus imperative that the new government accord top priority to human rights protection and improve the country's tarnished international image.

It has been over a decade since the National Commission on Human Rights was set up to protect and promote human rights in Thailand. But the NCHR's performance has been dismal. The commission could have done a better job if had been a stronger and less dogmatic leadership team; one that was more focused on civil and political rights.

One of the problems has been the emphasis on collective rights, or community rights. Obviously these collective rights are pivotal, but to provide sufficient protection in this area is almost impossible under the current circumstances. New legislation and human rights education is urgently needed if such an approach is to continue, as it involves the rural masses. An increase in the violation of individual human rights, especially in southern Thailand, shows that protection of individual rights has failed. The state security apparatus continues to ignore the basic rights guaranteed by the Thai Constitution and international laws.

Thailand's human rights ideal should have served as a model for Asean countries to emulate. But the country's dismal record, as well as its poor political leadership over the years, has literally eaten into the country's reputation and creditability. This also helps to explain why Thailand's repeated call for a more liberal and comprehensive approach to human rights within Asean has failed miserably. Only Indonesia and the Philippines see eye to eye with the Thais.

As the current Asean chair, Thailand has been working hard to produce a good terms of reference for the establishment of an Asean human rights body by the end of next year. It is going to be tough because of the grouping's principle of consensus and the fact that the majority of Asean members still prefer a docile mechanism that pays just enough lip service to the protection of human rights and not much more. They say that human rights protection in Asean should be an evolutionary process. This is the reason it has taken the grouping more than a decade to even establish the idea of setting up a human rights mechanism.

How long will it take before there is real protection of human rights in Asean?

If Thailand really wants to uphold human rights values and standards, our government officials must change their mindset now. It is silly to continue to cite how many international bills of rights we have ratified, because these do not help improve the situation on the ground at all. The efficient enforcement of constitutional rights has been lacking.

For instance, Thailand has courageously ratified the UN Convention Against Torture, but torture practices, especially during detention periods, continue unabated. Therefore, it is futile to talk about human rights protection while these practices go on.

In the field of human rights, action speaks louder than words, and in the case of Thailand, we are hearing a loudspeaker.

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THE THAI CONSTITUTION AND HUMAN RIGHTS

Human rights during times of turmoil

VITIT MUNTARBHORN

December 10 is a special day for at least two reasons. It is Thailand's Constitution Day and also the anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the "Magna Carta" (Great Charter) of human rights adopted by the United Nations in 1948.

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The Democracy Monument in Bangkok... a witness to numerous political upheavals and discarded constitutions.

While some may claim that we should be celebrating the 60th birthday of that seminal document this week, others may prefer to call for its commemoration, given the turmoil surrounding the implementation of human rights in many countries.

Much has been achieved globally and nationally in the six decades since the Universal Declaration. Pursuant to the declaration, the world has concretised human rights standards and related monitoring of their implementation through a variety of human rights treaties. There are now nine UN-backed core human rights treaties covering issues such as civil and political rights; economic, social and cultural rights; racial discrimination; women's rights; child rights; torture; migrant workers; persons with disabilities; and enforced disappearance.

These are complemented by various additional treaties (Protocols) enabling victims to seek redress from the human rights bodies set up by these treaties, such as the Human Rights Committee under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, where the local remedies are inadequate.

On another front, the struggle against impunity has led to the rise of various international criminal courts to punish persons responsible for genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes, for lack of remedies at the national level. The International Criminal Court is now functioning fully, and there are parallel courts covering various key situations, such as former Yugoslavia, Rwanda and Cambodia.

The UN has also adopted the notion of the responsibility to protect (R2P), calling for States to protect their population from various egregious human rights violations, failing which the UN should act more assertively.

In 2007, the UN adopted another key document which adds value to the increasing emphasis on group rights (peoples/communities), in addition to the rights of individuals highlighted by the nine treaties above. The UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples was born, recognising that "indigenous peoples have the right to self determination". A recurrent question is this: who are the indigenous and does the right mentioned enable them to secede (break away from the main State)?

The 2007 Declaration does not define the notion of "indigenous," but generally it is taken to mean the "first peoples" who inhabited the land, for example "Aborigines". It opens the door to self-identification; groups can self-identify as indigenous, and this has bearing on the history and the cultural patterns/identities of the peoples in the country where they are found.

There is also some confusion concerning whether indigenous peoples are the same as "minorities". The answer is that they are not the same; indigenous peoples may be in the majority in a country rather than the minority. The Declaration adds that this instrument does not authorise action leading to the break-up of States.

At the national level, the implementation of human rights in keeping with international standards has been witnessed by the reform of many laws and practices antithetical to human rights. Several countries have abolished laws which previously allowed the State to impose capital punishment on persons under 18 years of age. Many countries have adopted laws to curb violence against women. Numerous human rights institutions, particularly in the form of National Human Rights Commissions and Ombudspersons, have come into existence.

Many States have opened the door to a wide range of human rights actors, including civil society and the media, to become more involved in the promotion and protection of human rights. UN agencies working at the national level are also supposed to mainstream human rights in their work.

Despite the above developments, the world is still witnessing a wide array of violations, often linked with the laxity of implementation, lack of democracy, the spread of violence, and the spectre of war facing several countries.

These are aggravated by development deficits and environmental catastrophes, with global warming casting a great shadow on the human race as a whole.

With regard to Thailand, a welcome fact is that the country is now a party to seven of the core human rights treaties mentioned (with the exception of the treaty on migrant workers' rights and the issue of enforced disappearance). A new publication on the Universal Declaration produced by the UN in cooperation with Thailand's National Human Rights Commission, is being launched this week as a testament to the voices of people in Thailand on how they view human rights and their implementation, particularly from the angle of justice and human dignity.

At the national level, intriguingly the country has already lived through

18 constitutions, with increasing verbal commitment to human rights in the more recent charters. It is worth recalling that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights has had a direct impact on Thailand's constitutions from the very start. The section on "rights" in these constitutions has been heavily influenced by the Universal Declaration, although with some key differences.

While the Declaration advocates the notion of "asylum," thus providing an avenue for the rights of refugees, Thailand has not included this notion expressly in its constitutions. Moreover, the section on "rights" in the Thai constitution guarantees the rights of "Thais," rather than the rights of all persons irrespective of national and other origins - the latter being the international premise for non-discrimination, a key human rights principle. However, other laws, such as the Child Protection Act, entrench the notion of non-discrimination in the Thai legal system.

Given that in the past many of the country's constitutions were overturned by coups d'etat, it is often the other laws - such as the Criminal Code and Criminal Procedure Code - which have provided the mainstay, a surer footing, for human rights protection, especially in regard to the administration of justice. Various adjustments to these laws during the past year have improved safeguards for persons affected by the justice system. For instance, women victims are now to be interviewed by trained women law enforcers. The age of criminal responsibility at which young persons will be accountable under the criminal law was recently raised from seven years of age to 10 years of age (although the latter is still too low).

Yet, the crux is the implementation of human rights at the national and local levels, and over the past year, the relationship between human rights and related limitations in times of turmoil has been most volatile.

First, there is the key challenge of the linkage between human rights and democracy. That nexus implies that the rights of the majority must be respected, while not overlooking the rights of minorities. While democracy involves more than the electoral process based on rule by the majority, rule by the majority is internationally the rule and not the exception.

The position adopted by some sectors of society that the majority should be sidelined because they are seen as less educated, from a lower economic stratum and/or from a different geographic area, is contrary to human rights law and international practice.

Second, what is the content of the right to freedom of association/assembly ("to demonstrate") and what are the limits to be imposed in times of turmoil?

While some rights such as the right not to be tortured are absolute and cannot be constrained under any circumstances, other rights, including the right to freedom of association/assembly, can be subjected to various limitations.

The international human rights framework indicates that the right to demonstrate must be exercised peacefully and it can be constrained on the basis of the law (and not arbitrarily), when it is necessary to do so, the limitations being proportional to the risk, to be tested against the backdrop of what is permissible in a democratic society.

These parameters indicate that while people have a right to be on the streets to demonstrate, they are not entitled to take over key facilities, such as airports, which are the lifeline of the local and international communities.

However, if law enforcers are to act against these people, use of force is to be a matter of last resort and it has to be truly necessary and proportional to the circumstances.

Third, there is a variety of state-related security laws which are invoked here in times of turmoil. Do they comply with international standards and do they conflict with human rights?

These laws include the Criminal Code, the Martial Law Act, the National Emergency Decree and the more recent National Security Act. Several of these laws need to be reviewed to ensure their compliance with international standards.

For instance, when a state of emergency is declared, it is necessary for the authorities to report this situation through the UN to the member States of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, to ensure transparency and balance. This has not yet been done in the case of this country, even though the state of emergency has been announced on various occasions.

Also those national laws should not and cannot condone in principle or practice breaches of human rights, such as freedom from torture and cruel treatment, and the injunction against abductions ("enforced disappearance").

December 10 thus provides a key opportunity for much needed soul-searching in relation to our values, knowledge-base, attitude and behaviour and our commitment to democracy, peace and human rights. It is not a day for self-congratulation or despair. Rather, it is a moment to reflect and self-reflect not only physically but also spiritually. Perhaps, a moment of respite, even in troubled times.

Vitit Muntarbhorn is a Professor at the Faculty of Law, Chulalongkorn University. He has helped the UN in a variety of capacities, including as an expert, consultant and Special Rapporteur.

[Guest lars60]

Enligt http://www.bangkokpo...s.php?id=135259

Oroligheterna kostade troligtvis astronomiska summor för turistindustrin!

Tourism losses could hit 130 bln baht

The tourism industry may lose up to 130 billion baht of revenues because of the closure of Suvarnabhumi airport, Tourism Authority of Thailand (TAT) deputy governor for international marketing Santichai Euachongprasit said on Tuesday.

According to the initial assessment, the number of foreign tourists between December 2008 and April 2009 could drop by 2.3 million and the loss of revenues should be around 86 billion to 130 billion baht. The decrease would be about 40 to 50 per cent when compared to the same period of the previous year.

Mr Santichai said the TAT initially aimed to welcome 16 million tourists, but the number could be slashed to 14 million due to the political and economic crises.

The TAT will fine-tune its marketing plan by emphasising on restoring tourist confidence. Previously, the authority proposed the "Seven Wonders" campaign to promote important tourist destinations in the country next year, but it will also try to restore the national image by apologising to tourists who were affected by the seizure of airports by the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) and beefing up security measures.

The TAT in cooperation with the private sector will come up with different tourism campaigns and promotions to draw in more tourists as well.

[Baa]

Lars60,s artikel belystes på radionyheterna i morse, en reporter befann sig i Pattaya och rapporterade från igår kväll. Väldigt få turister förutom de vanliga långliggarna, mängder av hotell står med halvtomma utrymmen, personalen får ingen eller bara delar av lönen e.t.c. Vore väl något för regeringen att belysa vad Thailands arbetskraft ha PAD att tacka för. Likalydande rapporter från ett flertal vanligtvis överbefolkade turistområden.

Tack PAD, kanske det går att förhandla till sig ett bra pris om man skulle vilja till beachen, men Thailogiken blir väl snarare att höja priserna för att miska tappet.

MVH

Baa

[Guest Isan Lover]

Hej

Jag har tyvar inte tid att lasa dom andra inlaggen.

Men skriver hur vi har upplevt situationen pa plats i Isaan.

Folk ar inte overraskade bara besvikna, for dom vann valet men dom rika spelar bakom kulisserna for att behalla korruptionen och fortsatta berika sig sjalva.

Men dom roda ar mycket stolta over att dom inte har anvant vald och olagliga aktioner som dom rika.

Han Sonti Limtonkul kallas "Suntin" Limtongkul har uppe.

Nu ar Thailand pa samma niva som Zimbabwe och liknande lander politiskt.

All opposition vard namnet ar forbjuden och man kanske blir fangslad eller misshandlad om man stoder demokratin.

Nu far folket nog vanta 10-20 ar pa att demokratin ska komma tillbaka.

Tragiskt for folket men roligt for adeln, Militaren och Polisen.

Mvh Isan Lover

[Guest Siam-Nilsson]

– Jasså, nu har hugade spekulanter och förväntansfulla businesspolitiker lagt korten på bordet igen för att valören ska synas.

BuriRam’s starke man Newin Chidchob som är en före detta affärsvän och politisk allierad till Thaksin, säger nu att Isaans folk och dess politiska stöd har fått en prislapp.  Nu är det upp till Demokraterna om de vill hosta upp 100 Miljarder Bath som ska gå till satsningar i Isaan. Gör de det, så kommer Isaans folk att snart glömma Thaksin – det lovar den gode demokrati-ivraren Nevin.

– Eller som Ulf Peder Olrog beskrev det ”allting går att sälja (röster) med mördande reklam - kom och köp konserverad gröt”

Som tack för stödet till Thaksin, så tjänade den gode Nevins familj grova pengar på att få byggkontrakt av Thaksins regering.

Thaksin regeringen lät tidigare hans familjeföretag bygga stora vägnät i Chiang Mai området. Nu har det dock inte blivit så mycket fler ordrar eftersom Thaksin avsattes i militärkuppen.

- Men nu ser det ut att bli ett val framöver, och då är det bäst att vara ekonomiskt pragmatisk och välja ny politisk hemvist så att nya lukrativa byggkontrakt kan erhållas. Många munnar att mätta i Nevins familj kan jag tro.

Hej och hå, ja allt är som vanligt i gamla Siam… Business as usual...

Men lite ny infrastruktur i Isaan skulle nog inte skada. Varför inte en ny snabbtågslinje upp dit från Bkk?

http://www.nationmul...cs_30090617.php

http://www.atimes.co...a/JI18Ae02.html

[Guest Siam-Nilsson]

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Han Sonti Limtonkul kallas "Suntin" Limtongkul har uppe.

Mvh Isan Lover

Att de kallar honom för "Son tin" skulle ju kunna vara förståeligt.

"Son" betyder ju "busa", och "dtin" betyder ju "djurfot" vilket är ett vanligt skällsord i Thailand om man vill visa att man verkligen föraktar en människa.

[Guest lars60]

En trolig PAD-vakt funnen död vid Don Muaeng!

http://www.bangkokpo...s.php?id=135291

Police: PAD guard found dead at airport

The body of a man found at Don Muaeng airport is believed to be a guard of People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD), Deputy police chief Jongrak Chuthanont said Wednesday.

The body was found inside an abandoned cargo building on Tuesday.

PAD occupied the airport for about a week last month.

Pol Gen Jongrak said the area where the body was discovered was the place where the PAD guards rested, adding that the death could result from fights between the guards themselves.

The body of the man, wrapped inside a plastic bag, was believed to have died a week ago.

He asked police investigators to contact the PAD core leaders to ask for the list of the names of their guards for further investigation.

[Guest Siam-Nilsson]

Som jag tidigare idag skrev - Business as usual...

Defectors 'offered millions' by Pheu Thai

Bt55m each said to be up for grabs to lure Newin's MPs and others back

The Pheu Thai Party has gone on the offensive to lure back defecting MPs in a desperate battle to form the next government ahead of the Democrats.

Party sources said several MPs in the Friends of Newin faction, who switched sides to join the Democrat-led coalition, were being offered a large amount of cash to change their mind.

http://www.nationmul...cs_30090702.php

Samma gamla politiker - samma gamla korrupta mentalitet - suck...

[Steinlager]

Enligt obekräftade källor (UdonCable) så har de "röda" börjat ockupera flygplatserna i Chiang Mai och Udon Thani. Monkey see monkey do.

[MaiChai]

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Som jag tidigare idag skrev - Business as usual...

Defectors 'offered millions' by Pheu Thai

Bt55m each said to be up for grabs to lure Newin's MPs and others back

The Pheu Thai Party has gone on the offensive to lure back defecting MPs in a desperate battle to form the next government ahead of the Democrats.

Party sources said several MPs in the Friends of Newin faction, who switched sides to join the Democrat-led coalition, were being offered a large amount of cash to change their mind.

http://www.nationmul...cs_30090702.php

Samma gamla politiker - samma gamla korrupta mentalitet - suck...

Det finns ju de som hävdar att köpt demokrati är också demokrati...

[MaiChai]

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Hej

Jag har tyvar inte tid att lasa dom andra inlaggen.

Men skriver hur vi har upplevt situationen pa plats i Isaan.

Folk ar inte overraskade bara besvikna, for dom vann valet men dom rika spelar bakom kulisserna for att behalla korruptionen och fortsatta berika sig sjalva.

Men dom roda ar mycket stolta over att dom inte har anvant vald och olagliga aktioner som dom rika.

Han Sonti Limtonkul kallas "Suntin" Limtongkul har uppe.

Nu ar Thailand pa samma niva som Zimbabwe och liknande lander politiskt.

All opposition vard namnet ar forbjuden och man kanske blir fangslad eller misshandlad om man stoder demokratin.

Nu far folket nog vanta 10-20 ar pa att demokratin ska komma tillbaka.

Tragiskt for folket men roligt for adeln, Militaren och Polisen.

Mvh Isan Lover

Kul att ha dig tillbaka IL med dina ganska enkelspåriga inlägg.

I Sverige "vann" socialdemokraterna valet år 2006 eftersom de blev största enskilda parti. Nu lyckades ju dock oppositionen sy ihop en koalition som tillsammans blev större än Socialdemokraterna. Ungefär vad Demokraterna försöker göra just nu, sy ihop en koalition som är större än PPP/Pheu Thai. Betyder det att Sverige är lika odemokratiskt som Thailand?

De röda använde inte våld...

Du har uppenbarligen inte befunnit dig i Bangkok på den senaste tiden, både de röda och gula var beväpnade till tänderna och backade inte för att lobba granater mot varandra. Han som slogs ihjäl i Chiang Mai eller tidigare i år i Udon Thani för att de var PAD supportrar? Men jag vet ju inte hur det låter i lokal Issan media som väl fortfarande styrs av TRT folk? Det kallas indoktrinering, något som Dr T är mycket bra på.

[buriram]

MaiChai, du ska inte prata om enkelspårighet.. I går var det demokratins dag, barnen var lediga från skolan. I dag styrs landet av anarkister, nu har man visat vägen genom samhällsstörtande verksamhet med ett tyst stöd av militären. Tyvärr är detta inte slutet, endast början, TYVÄRR 

Hälsar anders från mitt i Isan 

[Merlins]

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Kul att ha dig tillbaka IL med dina ganska enkelspåriga inlägg.

I Sverige "vann" socialdemokraterna valet år 2006 eftersom de blev största enskilda parti. Nu lyckades ju dock oppositionen sy ihop en koalition som tillsammans blev större än Socialdemokraterna. Ungefär vad Demokraterna försöker göra just nu, sy ihop en koalition som är större än PPP/Pheu Thai. Betyder det att Sverige är lika odemokratiskt som Thailand?

De röda använde inte våld...

Du har uppenbarligen inte befunnit dig i Bangkok på den senaste tiden, både de röda och gula var beväpnade till tänderna och backade inte för att lobba granater mot varandra. Han som slogs ihjäl i Chiang Mai eller tidigare i år i Udon Thani för att de var PAD supportrar? Men jag vet ju inte hur det låter i lokal Issan media som väl fortfarande styrs av TRT folk? Det kallas indoktrinering, något som Dr T är mycket bra på.

Snacka om enkelspårighet...

PAD ställer till med den värsta krisen Thailand har varit med om på mycket länge, oppositionspartiet "Demokraterna", polis, militär och kungahus låter detta ske. Domstol ogiltigförklarar tre partier i regeringen för valfusk (övriga valfuskande partier slipper några repisalier). När ny regering skall utses så säger militären att det är bäst om det blir en ny koalitionsregering, alltså att PAD-supporterpartiet Demokraterna får regera, annars kan det bli oroligt igen...

Jag försvarar inte svågerpolitiken och korruptionen som finns i PPP och de andra partierna men när valet står mellan korrupta politiker valda av folket eller korrupta politiker som militär och en liten klick elitister iBangkok vill ha så väljer jag folkvalda eftersom dessa kan bytas ut i nytt val. Blir det militären och Bangkok-elit som får bestämma så kommer de fortsätta att välja korrupta politiker som ger dem mer makt och pengar utan att bry sig om övriga.

Vad gäller våldet så avstod faktiskt UDD från våld under sina demonstrationer. Visst kan de mycket väl ha legat bakom granatskjutningarna mm men om detta vet inget ännu, det kan också vara andra fraktioner som nu använder sig av våld medan UDD försöker bli mer rumsrena. PAD som skryter så mycket att de inte använder sig av våld gjorde just detta under sina demonstrationer. De gav sig på såväl taxichauförer, journalister och polis. De verkar till och med ha dödat en av sina egna och lämnat honom i en plastsäck när de lämnade Don Muang.

[Baa]

Läste någons inlägg, hittar inte var och vem, där di röde skulle ockupera flygplatser i bl.a. Udon.

Kom precis hem därifrån, man blev lite skrajsen när en stor grupp rödklädda befann sig på Udonairport men inte någon polis eller militär förutom de vanliga vakterna.

Vi frågade lite försynt vad som sker men de var bara där för att möta nån politiker från BKK, inget bråk eller tal om att störa trafiken. Hoppas de talar sanning.

MVH

Baa

[Steinlager]

Här är den enda infon jag hittar om den senaste ockupationen av flygplatser http://www.ch7.com/news/2/3/4022/