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19 timmar sedan, skrev Isan Lover:

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Detta minnesmärke över det som närmast ses som en revolution för att införa demokrati i landet 1932 har naturligtvis ett stort symbolvärde och inte minst att det satt på just denna Kungliga plats tillsammans med stayn över Rama V var ju lite unikt och gav den lite extra status.

 

Någon som ogillar att demokratin infördes och att minnesmärket fanns just där som en påminnelse över denna viktiga händelse tycker tydligen att det är väldigt viktigt att få bort den, detta borde väl på ett sätt påvisa hur stort symbolvärde den måste ha haft.

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Allt pekar på att Thaksin är den skyldige, som vanligt!

 

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Hahaha vilken fars.

Själv tror jag det måste varit en farang som gjorde någon uppmärksam på att plaketten saknades. Somchai har nog aldrig hört talas om den och skulle antagligen bytt bort den mot en nudelsoppa.

 

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51 minuter sedan, skrev Tommy:

Allt pekar på att Thaksin är den skyldige, som vanligt!

 

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Det tror jag också, kan han ligga bakom både regn som leder till översvämningar och torka som leder till vattenbrist så måste han ju ha ett finger med i detta också.

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47 minuter sedan, skrev SatanG:

Hahaha vilken fars.

Själv tror jag det måste varit en farang som gjorde någon uppmärksam på att plaketten saknades. Somchai har nog aldrig hört talas om den och skulle antagligen bytt bort den mot en nudelsoppa.

 

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Det är väl i själva verket lite märkligare än så, någon har ju dessutom ersatt den försvunna plaketten med en annan plakett som har en helt annan text än originalet, men vi får väl anta att CCTV kamerorna råkade var avstängda den dagen också?

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Det försvunna demokratimonumentet blir en nyhet jorden runt och här är Washington Posts artikel i ämnet, här tror man att det är antidemokratiska krafter som ligger bakom försvinnandet.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/stolen-plaque-in-Thailand-a-sign-of-antidemocratic-sentiment/2017/04/23/e5b49226-27e7-11e7-928e-3624539060e8_story.html?utm_term=.9bd57d463a4f

 

Stolen plaque in Thailand a sign of antidemocratic sentiment

 

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In this Oct. 2, 2016, photo, a small bronze plaque commemorating Thailand’s 1932 revolution rests in the pavement of the Royal Plaza in Bangkok, Thailand. In early April, the plaque was mysteriously removed by parties unknown and substituted by one praising the Chakri Dynasty, whose 10th king took the throne last December. A disinclination by the authorities to find those responsible adds another element of mystery. (Apichart Khunnawatbandit/Associated Press)

By Grant Peck | AP April 23 at 3:56 AM

Bangkok — It’s a whodunit worthy of a Dan Brown novel: a small bronze plaque commemorating Thailand’s 1932 revolution is ripped out from a very public place by parties unknown and substituted by one praising the Chakri Dynasty, whose 10th king took the throne in December. A disinclination by the authorities to find those responsible adds another element of mystery.

The original plaque, installed in 1936, marked the spot where a group of progressive army officers and civil servants proclaimed the end of the absolute monarchy in order to steer the country toward democracy.

“At this place, at dawn on June 24, 1932, we the People’s Party have given birth to the constitution for the progress of the nation,” is a translation of the words engraved on the brass disc.

The ideal still hasn’t taken hold. A royalist military government that took power in a coup three years ago still rules Thailand, and its newly enacted constitution aims to limit the power of elected officials and give it instead to institutions traditionally associated with the palace, including the courts, the civil service and the military.

Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha said last week that he has ordered an investigation into the plaque’s disappearance, but warned against making a political issue of it.

He could understand why some people might be upset, he told reporters.

“But look at what we are doing today,” he said. “Would it be better for us to look ahead at the future? Old subjects are just history.”

The old plaque, about 30 centimeters (12 inches) in diameter and lying flush with the pavement, was embedded in Bangkok’s Royal Plaza, a vast open area in the midst of government buildings and military installations.

It was so neglected as a landmark that its disappearance could only be estimated to have taken place between April 3 and 7.

As a symbol of democratic change, however, it was revered. For the same reason, it was despised.

Debate on social media over the plaque’s disappearance has evoked a strong streak of antidemocratic sentiment, decrying the 1932 revolution for imposing unsuitable Western-style democracy causing corruption and all sorts of social ills; slamming the 1932 coup makers as evil; and even suggesting that the plaque was the physical incarnation of a curse on the nation.

Royalist resistance began almost immediately after the revolution, and slowly clawed back influence for the palace. By the late 1950s an accommodation was reached with the military, which sought its prestige, and by the late 1970s the constitutional monarchy was the country’s most powerful institution, inviolable under the protection of the army.

This balance of power began to unravel in 2001, when billionaire populist Thaksin Shinawatra used his fortune to win an unprecedented electoral majority and become prime minister. Thaksin, accused of corruption, abuse of power and disrespect for the monarchy, was ousted by a military coup in 2006, setting off a sometimes violent struggle for power between his supporters and opponents, with the military strongly in the latter group.

Thaksin’s opponents saw democracy as the problem, and some identified the 1932 revolution as the original sin.

“It seems to me that the junta has come to the view that the problems associated with Thaksin and erasing his regime involves a more deep-rooted issue of dealing with the notion of people’s sovereignty that was embedded in the 1932 proclamation and first draft constitution,” said Kevin Hewison, a senior research fellow at the Center for Southeast Asian Studies at Kyoto University.

“In this sense, the removal of the plaque is a symbolic act of delayed counterrevolution,” he said.

Although a fringe group of ultra-royalists openly vowed late last year to remove or destroy the plaque, there is plenty to fuel speculation of a higher-level conspiracy.

Photos purportedly taken at the plaza during the period the plaque went missing show scaffolding at the spot, more suggestive of a public works project than a thief in the night. City officials asked to produce surveillance videos from the 11 cameras at the plaza say they were shut for maintenance during the same period. Police said they could not accept a criminal complaint of theft except from the plaque’s owner, who was unknown. Pressed on the point, they threatened to sue an outspoken politician who suggested they weren’t doing their duties.

Prime Minister Prayuth’s suggestion that the case was a stone better left unturned was not idle advice. A government reform activist who sought to petition him on the matter was seized by soldiers and detained for 10 hours.

The plaque’s removal also coincided with the signing of the new constitution by King Vajiralongkorn Bodindradebayavarangkun, who succeeded his late father, King Bhumibol Adulyadej, last year.

Ploenpote Atthakor, editorial page editor of the Bangkok Post, saw an upside to the affair.

“In the case of the ill-fated plaque, the silver lining is that its sudden disappearance has triggered an interest in this particular period of Thai history like never before,” she wrote. “The people who removed it probably didn’t expect that.”

 

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Bangkok Post har en ny artikel i ämnet idag, där skribenten än en gång frågar sig vem som har tagit plaketten och ersatt den med en annan, han påpekar också att försvinnandet inte ändrar historien som den representerade.

 

History can't be erased with a plaque

ERICH PARPART SENIOR REPORTER - ASIA FOCUS

24 Apr 2017 at 04:25   

The disappearance of the 1932 Siamese Revolutionary memorial plaque says a lot about anyone who removed it. But, first of all and let's get it of the way, removing the plaque does not mean that you are removing the history it represents. 
 

http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/1237410/history-cant-be-erased-with-a-plaque

 

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Kanske är mysteriet nu löst, tydligen finns det vittnen som har sett vad som hände och vilka som var inblandade, Fine Arts Department utförde nyligen en renovering av statyn bredvid plaketten, under arbetet täcktes denna staty över, men även ett tält sattes upp över plaketten och efter det att tältet togs bort var plaketten som hyllade införandet av demokrati ersatt med ny Rojalistisk plakett.

 

Reporting official political vandalism

24042017

 

The Nation has a particularly useful report the details surrounding the removal of the 1932 plaque, which most pundits now agree was at the behest of the palace, probably based on faulty astrological advice.

Reporters have now tracked down witnesses to the event and constructed a kind of timeline. The report states:

Some photos shared and scrolled down on social media pages, along with accounts of “regulars” and concerned authorities as checked by the Nation have shown that between late last month and April 6, at least two distinctive activities took place at the Royal Plaza before the public was alerted last Friday [14 April] that the plaque was missing.

A regular visitor to the area stated that “late last month the statue of the former [k]ing [the equestrian statue] was renovated, with some framework set up and covered with translucent green sheets.” That renovation was confirmed by the Fine Arts Department.

This witness then states that “from April 4 to 6, there were a few tents set up next to it – around the spot where the plaque was located.” He adds that these “tents were closed and draped with cloth, so the regulars could not see anything inside.” When the tents were gone, so was the plaque, replaced by royalist graffiti.

His account was generally confirmed by others and by photographic evidence. “Other regular visitors …[stated] that they saw a couple of tents near the statue of King Chulalongkorn a few days before Chakri Day on April 6.” These “tents were located some metres away, on the right side of the equestrian statue, where the plaque was.”

These witnesses add that on “April 5, the Plaza also closed early – at 9pm, due to arrangements needed for Chakri Day…”.

Photos from “March 28 [show] the framework was set up around the statue. Other photos, … taken at least on April 1, also show individuals working inside the sheeting. However, no tents were seen set up nearby…. The tents appeared in some photos taken on April 4 to 5. But on April 6, there were no tents seen on the spot.” The Fine Arts Department confirmed that the tents did not belong to them.

Confirming this timeline,

Sarttarin Tansoon, a political science lecturer at Kasetsart University, told The Sunday Nation that a group of his students saw the original plaque during a field trip to the Royal Plaza from April 1 and 3.

On April 8, another group of his students went to the Plaza to see the plaque, but found it had been replaced.

Several agencies have official tasks in the area. The “Dusit district administration takes care of overall tidiness, the police are in charge of security. The Department of Public Works and Town and Country Planning is in charge of the road surface, while the King’s statue is overseen by the Fine Arts Department.” In addition, the “Bureau of the Royal Household (BRH), meanwhile, is authorised to permit activities or events to be held on the Plaza…”.

The Bangkok Metropolitan Authority’s Traffic and Transportation Department is responsible for the CCTV cameras in the area, which they ever so conveniently claim were all turned off before one of the main royal events of the year in that area.

Now the military junta has arranged for the protection of the new royalist graffiti:

Dozens of metropolitan police, plus plainclothes officers were deployed and on guard 24/7 around the compound, and especially the spot where a new plaque was embedded to replace the 81-year-old Constitution plaque metres away from the [k]ing’s statue.

Reporters are told not to take photos. Visitors are told to leave the site.

It is clear that the removal was an official act. Something this symbolic and this significant was ordered from on high.

 

https://thaipoliticalprisoners.wordpress.com/2017/04/24/reporting-official-political-vandalism/

 

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On 5/1/2017 at 13:44, skrev Wanchai:

Jaha, då är mysteriet löst och tråden kan avslutas.

Spännande var det iallafall att följa.

Hatar lögnare.

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1 timme sedan, skrev frason:

Spännande var det iallafall att följa.

Hej

Ja det hör verkligen inte till vanligheterna att ett minnesmärke över en viktig händelse i nationens historia som dessutom var placerat bredvid en kunglig staty försvinner, än mer rörigt och märkligt blev det ju när juntan först sa sig vara ovetande om att monumentet var borta, sen började ju juntan ingripa mot dom som uppmärksammade försvinnandet, vilket slutade med att folk greps och fängslades när dom gjorde polisanmälan och krävde att dom skulle leta efter missesmärket och förövarna, till slut blev väl uppståndelsen och pressen för stor på juntan vilket fick Diktatorn Prayuth att själv uppmana polisen att eftersöka minnesmärket, efter detta framkom det på Facebook att folk hade sett när minnesmärket försvann, det var tydligen vid en renovering av den kungliga statyn som myndigheterna själva utförde, vad som händer nu när "tjuven" är avslöjad återstår att se?

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Turerna med det försvunna minnesmärket fortsätter, nu senast var det "The Foreign Correspondents Club of Thailand" som blev beordrade att ställa in ett möte om det försvunna minnesmärket.

 

FCCT discussion on missing plaque banned

3 May 2017 at 15:28

 

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 A photographer takes pictures of the new plaque at the Royal Plaza in Bangkok last month. (Photo by Seksan Rojjanametakun) 

The Foreign Correspondents Club of Thailand was ordered to cancel its discussion on "Memories of 1932: The Mystery of Thailand's Missing Plaque" scheduled to be held at 7pm on Wednesday in Bangkok. 
 

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/politics/1242859/fcct-discussion-on-missing-plaque-banned

 

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On 4/24/2017 at 18:02, skrev Isan Lover:

there were a few tents set up next to it

 

Lite off topic, men jag undrar vilken typ av tältpinnar de använde sig av? Asfalt eller betong är ju ganska hårt underlag.

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1 minut sedan, skrev Nemo:

 

Lite off topic, men jag undrar vilken typ av tältpinnar de använde sig av? Asfalt eller betong är ju ganska hårt underlag.

Hej

Förmodar att det handlar om någon slags rörställning med fötter av järn av den typ man använder i Sverige.

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2 minuter sedan, skrev Isan Lover:

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Förmodar att det handlar om någon slags rörställning med fötter av järn av den typ man använder i Sverige.

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Så kan det nog vara. Jag är van vid pinnar man slog ner i marken när jag tältade förr i tiden.

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16 timmar sedan, skrev Nemo:

 

Lite off topic, men jag undrar vilken typ av tältpinnar de använde sig av? Asfalt eller betong är ju ganska hårt underlag.

 

Asfalt är inga problem att slå ner stålspik i när det är så varmt som i Thailand.

Känner du dej gammal? Bry dej inte om det, du kanske är äldre än du någonsin varit förut, men du är också yngre än vad du någonsin kommer att bli.........

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